Post by Bayer A.User on Apr 1, 2016 13:31:35 GMT -6
OK folks, it is april fools day after all. Unfortunately this is no joke. Think how many times we have been told by the talking heads that: "you can always go back to 7 or 8.1 if you don't like 10" within 30days or maybe 29 if its leap year. etc. This advice from a support engineer ... Gawd this IS what i've come to expect from MSFT and all their minions. Talk about a no win situation.
Imagine that an in-place upgrade is delivered within a month of the Win 10 installation. Same thing, right?
And if that's happening every 4 months or so, the chance is pretty high, right?
Microsoft has no incentive to make the roll back process work robustly. And if it doesn't, they'll just apologize. "Oops, we made a mistake. Sorry. That we disrupted your whole life is no big deal. You're just one in a billion pissants."
They're doing everything they can to make it all about running Windows. Doesn't matter if you like it. While you're distracted with all this upgrade and rollback and half-assed support from India BS you have NO time to think about what to do instead of continuing to try to keep your head above water.
If they keep you distracted another year then that's another year you're in Microsoft's grasp. Another year they've bled you for information and money, and another year you've NOT invested in alternate technology.
And not surprisingly, we can all clearly see the result: The advance of the state of the art has simply stopped!
Post by Bayer A.User on Apr 2, 2016 7:55:22 GMT -6
The context of the OP was" upgraded from previous version of windows" meaning 7 or 8.1. Soooooooooo, if 10 is buggered up and resetting it may or may not solve the issue anyway, shitcanning the OP's only way(5 will get you 10 there is no recovery/install media) to roll back to an operating system that actually works......that's just a classic kick in the nuts. Thanx Microsoft
and that's what MicroStink is "banking on" the end users don't have recovery options because they have no idea how to operate, manage, or configure a PC - other than accepting default OOBE, pointy, clicky, and the recently added pokey and slidey
problem is MS has been working at indoctrinating users with one big lie: - "the OS takes care of itself"
> except the whole image backup and restore thing still doesn't really exist first and last time it did actually exist was MSBACKUP / MWBACKUP in DOS 6.x and it was manual only
whatever winders backup / NTBackup etc. offered was only user files and settings and some of the system state, not an actual full disk / partition image that can be restored to a blank HDD
the DOS MSBACKUP simply needed to have the system booted from a DOS Floppy partition the disk to be restored to with FDISK format /s C: and then run the restore from MSBACKUP
oh but that's too complicated for end users
um, ya right, actually it's not complicated it's only extremely time consuming insert next floppy, disk #188 of the backup set ...
yet these same end users can do extremely complicated things in Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Premiere Pro, Sony Vegas Pro, etc. but $G-d forbid they learn how to configure, manage, and secure their OS installation(s)
I find the lack of configuration options disturbing !
I felt a great disturbance in the force.. as if millions of win 7 systems suddenly cried out in terror.
Each of us is like the kid in the Emperor's New Clothes story, except... Instead of everyone magically waking up out of their moronic brainwashed stupor, now they all just pile on and slap the kid around because he's OMG spouting an unpopular view! Dude! Thinking and tolerance are SO LAST CENTURY!
Being told what's popular by the Social Network while texting on your smart phone and walking around distracted in traffic is where it's at, baby! If you're not doing that then you're just weird.
The Social Network says Windows is Good. It must be good, right? Right?!? Goddamn it, RIGHT!!! What the fuck is wrong with you, you hater, you dinosaur! Get with the program with all the other cool hipsters! Like this guy.
Not long ago I crafted a better looking theme atlas, in which I resurrected rounded corners on my window borders.
I brought my Win 10 virtual machine up to patch level 10586.218 today, and found that it runs fine. I installed Visual Studio 2015 Update 2 as a test and that went in perfectly and works great.
I did such a good job of it I actually LIKED using the Windows 10 desktop to do this updating / installing / and testing today.
I caught myself thinking "gee, I could actually like using this on my main workstation".
Briefly... Emotion trumped rational thought... Desire overrode caution... I almost became another sheep... I nearly gave in to dark desires...
Slap me! When you're done, close the fist and knock some sense into me!
Remind me that I can't play all the media I could play with Windows 8.1 MCE. Reinforce that Microsoft is planning to deliver a disruptive in-place upgrade a few times a year. Refresh my memory that Windows 10 doesn't actually DO anything better than its predecessors yet.
Yea but you could have Edge - now with extensions! Not available in just any store, or TV offer! Just write away as you please on any ole webpage to your hearts desire. Cortana will fill all you hopes and dreams of a sexy voiced assistant, and do as you ask, unlike most women. Microsoft knows better on how to take care of all your files, so just succumb to One Drive doing it for you.
We want to let you know about some upcoming changes to OneDrive. On August 10, 2016, the amount of storage that comes with OneDrive will change from 15 GB to 5 GB. We are also discontinuing the 15 GB camera roll bonus. You can learn more at our FAQ. There is no action you need to take, because your OneDrive account is currently below the new storage limits. Even though you aren't currently affected, we want to keep you updated on all important changes to OneDrive. If you'd like to check your account, you can visit the Storage page. We realize these are big changes to a service you rely on. We want to apologize for any inconvenience they may cause you. We made a difficult decision, but it's one that will let us sustainably operate OneDrive into the future. Thank you for using OneDrive. – The OneDrive Team
Bait and switch? 5 gb is one movie or 1000 mp3’s or 2500 photos
We want to let you know about some upcoming changes to OneDrive. On August 10, 2016, the amount of storage that comes with OneDrive will change from 15 GB to 5 GB. We are also discontinuing the 15 GB camera roll bonus. You can learn more at our FAQ. There is no action you need to take, because your OneDrive account is currently below the new storage limits. Even though you aren't currently affected, we want to keep you updated on all important changes to OneDrive. If you'd like to check your account, you can visit the Storage page. We realize these are big changes to a service you rely on. We want to apologize for any inconvenience they may cause you. We made a difficult decision, but it's one that will let us sustainably operate OneDrive into the future. Thank you for using OneDrive. – The OneDrive Team
Bait and switch? 5 gb is one movie or 1000 mp3’s or 2500 photos
The camera roll was a great way to steal images from the poor suckers runnin'10. I filled it with pictures of Linus Torvalds flipping the bird. An alternative would be DropBox, unfortunately a lot of 10 users have a problem with it. Remind me again why we have 1TB drives ?!
"Upgrading the operating systems on three million desktops within the mandated timeframe rests largely on performing those updates remotely, without a technician having to visit each desktop and laptop. In the Marines’ case, early plans suggested they’d be able to do so with roughly 60 to 70 percent of the computers within the Marine Corps Enterprise Network (MCEN)."
But Brig. Gen. Dennis Crall, the Marine Corps CIO, says it now appears the actual figure is more like 10 percent.
“Our challenges are with hardware, and hardware that is older than a couple years is having more difficulty accepting Windows 10 than hardware that is new,” he told an AFCEA DC forum in Arlington, Va. Wednesday. “And when you look at what ‘new’ means within DoD, we purchase yesterday’s technology tomorrow. A lot of our brand-new systems are having difficulty with the upgrade as soon as they come out of the box, and we didn’t anticipate that.”
Post by Bayer A.User on Aug 8, 2016 6:20:58 GMT -6
...Making the best of this POS
In the past year and a half i've run countless installs of 10 on different size partitions. Used the entire drive(80GB to 500GB) or multiboot partitions as small as 36GB. Ran all the techpreview builds on a 90GB partition alongside 8.1 Never had a problem with any inplace updates/upgrades on any of these installs.
Until now. On a multiboot set up, 10586.xxxHome(fully activated with digital entitlement) on a 36 GB partition never hesitated to update/upgrade to the next available version whenever available for the past 8months. So what has changed ? My ESD's were never more than 4GB+ or so. Apparently now MSFT requires MORE space for the anniversary update to 14393.xx
Using the available update assistants(9252 or 28084.exe) the process fails for lack of space. It requires an additional 20GB. Yeah, with a little effort i can delete volumes and rearrange the partitions to create the required extra space. That's not my gripe.
What about the average joes who purchased the blackfriday/bluelight specials ? Example: My sunday paper officemax add shows an hp 14" intel notebook for $200. OEM win10 installed on the imfamous cheapo 32GB solid state internal storage. Will these "customers" be S.O.L when the time comes to online/inplace/upgrade to the next bloated version of 10 ? Will they be castigated by the likes of srFreakman because they did'nt pony up the bucks for better hardware ? Will they be scolded by an MS support engineer for not having a clue how to wipe,reformat, and clean install from an .iso ? Will Andre DeCosta cut n paste a magical "solution" for them ?
Shit, I don't see this ending well. Attention Kmart shoppers !
I've got a tablet with only 16 GB of storage running Windows 10. We'll see how long it lasts. Had to fresh install RS1 because the last one created a huge recovery partition. The average user would have no chance.
Microsoft, is Windows 10 the best you could do? Really? After promising to listen to our feedback, what a letdown!
No chance to... Install Win 10 in a useful configuration?
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Anecdotes:
A photographer friend just bought a new high-end photo processing workstation from Puget Systems. It came with Win 10 and replaces a prior system from the same people from about 6 years ago running Win 7. He says, and I quote:
Going on their recommendation it was built with a Win-10 operating system, tweaked to their judgement. They build about 2,000 units per year; callbacks is something they try to avoid from day-one. During the first half year they advised customers against Win10; eventually tested it, got to understand it and tweaked it - their business customers now tend to favor 10 over Win 7. Clean installation is certainly a core issue, then tuned to a specific PC system.
I have no complaints, no issues. I prefer it over Win 7.
Hm, I didn't think a Windows OS could be delivered by an OEM already tweaked.
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An astronomer friend has had to replace the small tower computer that controls one of his two back yard observatories, and got one with Win 10 on it. His words:
There were other problems brewing. I now have the Lodestar guide camera on the Win 10 machine which wouldn't work on XP, so I have to bite the bullet and get this system sorted out unfortunately.
But the only 2 things not working are ... the dome rotator and the synch program
Then later
Computer swapped out and everything working
So, that's two generally positive impressions of Win 10 from people I trust implicitly to tell me the uncensored truth.
-Noel
Author of the "How to Configure the 'To Work' Options" series of Windows books. Not feeling enough love to do one for Windows 10.
Post by Bayer A.User on Aug 9, 2016 17:00:19 GMT -6
Sure Noel, We know 10 can be wailed into shape. Some time,tricks/hacks and select 3rd party software results in an OS that works day in day out provided the hardware is 99.9% compatible. Posting this now on 10586.494 Pro. I swear, if Satya Nadel knew how i managed to get it slicker than shit AND for free he would poop in his pants. When i say "free" i don't mean the free upgrade. The catch22 is the same as it's always been. If you have any intention of allowing WU to go online then you run the risk of having the lean mean machine replaced with a wounded duck. MSFT givith', MSFT taketh' away.....
I agree, Windows 10 can be "wailed" into shape and respond like the OS it should have been. This business of having an OS being highly dependent upon being online all the time to do even the most basic tasks without having to check in with the mother-ship first is just another pain in the backside to work around.
Speaking of being online, now that I've been running 14393.x for a while, this started poping up on the lock screen lately. Yes, it's yet another thing to disable, but in the meantime, I think it is another attemp by Microsoft to make Windows 10 more appealling to the masses while trying to justify it's need to be online all the time. Just in case you can't read the caption, it says, "Did we miss a good joke?"
ISP was here yesterday to configure a new wireless radio. Win10 on his Dell laptop locked up in the middle of it and he had to reboot. Isn't that just special!
Windows being a perfect match for the needs of someone needing serious general purpose computing right out of the box would be awesome. But that's a pipe dream, because we have always needed the masses to finance the development. That was more like what computing before Windows - e.g., Vax/VMS - was like.
Windows being easily tweakable using overtly provided configuration options to become a very good general desktop computing platform was a pretty good compromise, and we had that - more or less - with XP and earlier versions.
Most folks tried to live with Windows Vista using the above strategy, but found certain dark spots that really did need 3rd party software. Not that big a deal - the Internet was getting to be useful so such software was becoming more and more available.
Windows 7 took us SOUNDLY into the realm of being tweakable by making a number of settings and adding 3rd party sofwtware to resolve deficiencies. In large part, people needing serious compute power tweaked Windows 7 to be a bit more like XP. But we truly LOST some things - for the first time - like the Classic Mode start menu and the ability to get a lot of information on the desktop at the same time. Why? People at Microsoft were apparently responding to complaints from the poor dears whose brains were becoming overloaded by actually having to READ small fonts and tightly packed text. BUT it was still doable. One could tweak Win 7 without TOO TOO much trouble to be useful.
Windows 8 came along and removed features that serious people needed. After a while, the aftermarket came out with things that could fix all that, but it was up to the user to integrate the entire system together. It was BARELY POSSIBLE to eschew ALL the cloud-oriented bullshit and still make a system that achieved critical mass. This was because Microsoft had not yet gotten around to deleting all the underlying functionality actually NEEDED for such usage. And it takes significant TIME AND EFFORT to accomplish and maintain! It's where I am now with my workstation.
Windows 10 came out, and those of us who knew how to reach an acceptable level of general computing prowess with Windows 8.x tried to apply all that accumulated knowledge, and in large part it works, EXCEPT... Microsoft finally DID delete enough stuff to make some things impossible! The result: A system that with plenty of wailing can be made to be about 99% as functional as the best tweaked and augmented Windows 8.1 system. In my experience, done by hand it can take upwards of a week to do. Done via script, there are still scraps that must be dealt with. And with such tweaks you're left with something that quite likely violates Microsoft's services agreement, because you don't allow them to have what they demand you give them.
BUT, THE GARLIC FLAVORED ICING ON THE CAKE...
Now they deliver a new major release, which reverts all your tweaks - EVEN THE ONES MADE USING OVERT SETTINGS - and thus requires re-tweaking - every 4 to 6 months! The BEST you can do is to try to upgrade your existing system in place, and HOPE that everything works after. How many folks who really know what they're doing upgraded systems in place before? It's just not a good idea. Yet now it's the cornerstone of Microsoft's strategy.
It's like paddling upstream. Even die-hard aficionados get tired after a while. And why bother? It's not better in any meaningful way (does anyone REALLY think Windows 10 is more secure?)
Who needs a minimum of a week of instability and re-learning how to do what you already know how to do every 4 to 6 months? Who needs a system that might ultimately need to be reinstalled from scratch to overcome upgrade-induced problems?
Assume a round number of a Billion Windows users total.
How many of us are there who need a REAL, solid, reliable, functional general purpose computing environment - for example because we create software, content, or are just serious hobbyists? Who would PAY for a good operating system.
One in 50 of us? Maybe 20 million users of that billion really want - NEED - a serious OPERATING SYSTEM instead of a toy?
What would Microsoft have to charge each of those 20 million users to keep advancing the state of the art with that serious, functional, stable operating system in order that technology would keep moving forward? Let's SWAG an estimate by saying that maybe 10,000 engineers and testers would have to be employed. 10,000 people times $100,000 per year salary: 1 billion dollars. Divided by 20 millon users: 50 dollars per user per year just to pay salaries. Double it to provide for reasonable profit and overhead: 100 dollars per user per year.
That's what, $8 a month?
Looked at another way, $200 every 2 years for a major upgrade?
Sound reasonable?
Is there ANYTHING wrong with employing 10,000 people to make a good portion of a billion dollars profit a year?
I don't know about you, but I'd probably pay double that for a REAL, GOOD operating system that did NOT seek to invade my privacy, did NOT seek to advertise to me, but that DID seek to provide me good functionality and stability, and thus good value.
I mean, big computer companies like Dell and HP *DO* make high-end computer lines. Workstations. Intel *DOES* make high-end CPU powerhouses. What the hell are we supposed to run on these things?
Microsoft is forgetting that someone has to be the producers of all the content that is sold to the masses.
Someone might say, "well, that's what Windows 10 Enterprise is about", to which I'd respond: From what I can see, Windows 10 Enterprise is just a slightly tweaked version of Windows 10 Consumer. It's not enough. Not serious enough. Still has too much "playtoy" in it. I contend that it needs to be almost entirely different than Windows 10 Consumer (which is what I consider ALL Windows 10 editions to be now).
Though working with computers has increasingly become a consequence of what I do at my job, I still consider myself as being an advanced, albeit serious, computer hobbyist. Even at that, I do find that Windows 10 requires far too much coddling to make it behave the way you want it to be even if you are only doing it at the just testing it level. I can only imagine what it's like for those who actually have to make a living this needing to figure this stuff out while administering "x" number of computer systems in an IT environment. We all know the base OS in Windows 10 is good as it really hasn't changed all that much since the introduction of Windows Vista, but the junk riding on top of Windows 10 definitely has to go. I know for one that I would gladly pay to have a functional, stable OS, sans the invasion privacy stuff.
<Rick> Good video. It's almost hard to believe that at one time Windows 98 was the resource hog, but even then, it still ran circles around what Windows 10 can do on today's modern hardware and look a heck of alot better doing it.
May 25, 2021 22:55:12 GMT -6
<Rick> As stated elsewhere, So much for the launch of Windows 11, "The Great Crash." Myself, I had a hard time getting into the site listed above, when I did get in, the video was partly done and then it crashed. There has been many other reports of crashing.
Jun 24, 2021 9:52:33 GMT -6
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<Rick> I see Microsoft has been very quick to pull down reports of site crashing regarding the Launch of Windows 11 on the Microsoft Insiders forum.
Jun 24, 2021 9:57:31 GMT -6
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<Rick> The rebroadcast is working okay.
Jun 24, 2021 11:00:25 GMT -6
<Rick> With reports of people being able to install the dev-edition of Windows 11 on machines not meeting spec, I thought I would give it a what-the-heck try. Lucky me, I'm caught in the downloading, doesn't meet spec, clearing, re-downloading loop on my machine!
Jul 2, 2021 7:08:46 GMT -6
<Rick> I've recently purchased a license for ArcaOS from www.arcanoae.com/ to play with. First impressions, it's still OS/2, but it now has a Linux twist to it.
Jul 2, 2021 7:32:53 GMT -6
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<dozrguy> laptop shit out and am stuck buying a new one. os win11 as fucked as win10 was?
Oct 2, 2021 12:56:10 GMT -6
<Rick> Let's see ..., my impression of Windows 11 is that it is a spruced up version of Windows 10 requiring a 64-bit processor plus a piece of security hardware that is less than 4 years old in order for it to run.
Oct 4, 2021 18:25:49 GMT -6
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<Rick> On the plus side, Microsoft is supposed to be supporting Windows 10 for some time to come for those of us still using systems with I7 or older processors.
Oct 4, 2021 18:44:35 GMT -6
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<dozrguy> i tried installing win10 om the 'shitout' pc this morning usung media creation. EPIC FAIL! went into an endless bootloop. win7 reinstalled just fine
Oct 21, 2021 11:23:38 GMT -6
<dozrguy> STILL so much bullshit and so little time for the kiddie ideas from the hill. My new laptop (MSI GE 11-UH461) would be an awesome "10" machine but because of Winblows I can only give it a "2"......wasted $3500
Oct 27, 2021 9:36:47 GMT -6
<Rick> Hello. Just checking in.
Mar 17, 2022 10:46:54 GMT -6
<isidroco> Each new w10 update adds >100000 useless files to \Windows\Servicing\LCU\Package_for_RollupFix... folders. Even in a SSD takes time to delete that stuff. In each version they manage to worsen stuff.
Mar 27, 2022 16:14:51 GMT -6
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<dozerguy> still traffic here?
Oct 9, 2022 17:32:44 GMT -6
<Rick> No, there does not seem to be very much traffic these days. I still check in from time to time.
Oct 9, 2022 20:08:58 GMT -6