Post by Locutus deBorg on May 23, 2016 9:52:25 GMT -6
3.3.2 Storage controller
Storage controllers used in devices that run Windows 10 for desktop editions must meet the following requirements:
* Storage controllers must support booting using the Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI) and implement device paths as defined in EDD-3.
um wat ! the only thing I have around here that is even remotely EFI is one HP laptop and it's not even a full implementation it still calls itself a BIOS and 2 Asus F1A75 Boards with hybrid BIOS / UEFI
even a lot of winders ape systems were shipped on BIOS
looks like their fixin to kill a whole lot of upgraded systems or leave them in the dark with an "unsupported version"
I find the lack of configuration options disturbing !
I felt a great disturbance in the force.. as if millions of win 7 systems suddenly cried out in terror.
Oh, and when did technical specifications become bargaining chips designed to influence hardware makers into including digital rights management hardware?
In section 2.2, with regard to the amount of RAM that's allowed to be used for the display...
*An additional 350MB of carve-out is allowed if an OEM chooses to enable hardware-based DRM functionality.
-Noel
Author of the "How to Configure the 'To Work' Options" series of Windows books. Not feeling enough love to do one for Windows 10.
Storage controllers used in devices that run Windows 10 for desktop editions must meet the following requirements:
* Storage controllers must support booting using the Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI) and implement device paths as defined in EDD-3.
um wat ! the only thing I have around here that is even remotely EFI is one HP laptop and it's not even a full implementation it still calls itself a BIOS and 2 Asus F1A75 Boards with hybrid BIOS / UEFI
even a lot of winders ape systems were shipped on BIOS
looks like their fixin to kill a whole lot of upgraded systems or leave them in the dark with an "unsupported version"
According to Ronnie Vernon in This Thread, where people have been asking the same sort of question, his answer is, "Nothing will happen to the systems that are already running Windows 10."
With Microsoft's track record lately, it's hard to take anything they say as being gospel anymore as they seem to change their minds mid-stride more often these days.
Ronny is just another diatom swirling along with the rest of us in the sea.
I imagine that if a system is already licensed and running Windows 10, it may just reach a point where the user won't be offered a new RTM build of Windows 10. I can't imagine that it will then stop working, though. It just won't get updates, and ultimately fall out of support.
Microsoft - assuming they survive more than another year or three - certainly isn't going to keep all future builds of Windows 10 compatible with everything it ever ran on before.
-Noel
Author of the "How to Configure the 'To Work' Options" series of Windows books. Not feeling enough love to do one for Windows 10.
According to Ronnie Vernon in This Thread, where people have been asking the same sort of question, his answer is, "Nothing will happen to the systems that are already running Windows 10."
With Microsoft's track record lately, it's hard to take anything they say as being gospel anymore as they seem to change their minds mid-stride more often these days.
On one hand, perhaps these new "requirements" have little to to with actually running Windows 10, but are requirements OEMs must follow if they wish to sell products with Windows 10 licenses on them and stay in good standing with Microsoft. In other words, legacy hardware will continue to work for some indeterminate period of time despite these new "requirements", and people installing or upgrading to Windows 10 on PCs will still be able to install it on machines that don't quite measure up, and it will continue to function and install as it does now. On the other hand, perhaps Microsoft will remove the legacy boot code from the Windows 10 Setup ISO itself, thus forcing a UEFI boot requirement on fresh installs of Windows 10. Non-UEFI systems will simply not see the Windows 10 DVD/USB as a bootable device. A workaround would be to keep a copy of the last ISO supporting legacy boot, install that, and then do an upgrade from within Windows 10 from the new ISO, since Microsoft can't remove the legacy boot mode from Windows 10 itself without bricking hundreds of thousands of PCs.
Microsoft, is Windows 10 the best you could do? Really? After promising to listen to our feedback, what a letdown!
Post by Locutus deBorg on May 27, 2016 12:29:33 GMT -6
re: nothing will happen
I would think it's going to be the same thing as any other version at EOL no more patches no more version / feature / bugfix updates
AKA leaving the user out in the dark only this time it's a much faster moving EOL target we've already seen them do this with win 8.0 EOL shorted and extended support nuked
eg. your new 2016 hardware might have 2 years of updates and then boom you need this obscure instruction etc. to get the next upgrade
just like certain P-IV systems can't install 10 x64 (unsupported processor) but will run all XP, vista, 7, and 8.x x64 versions on that hardware
which comes back to my original question about the "supported for the life of the device" claim: - Who determines the life of the device?
If I determine the life of the device and can get 10 installed on it today, then it should be supported as long as I can keep the hardware alive even if I could keep me and it working until the year 10,000
I find the lack of configuration options disturbing !
I felt a great disturbance in the force.. as if millions of win 7 systems suddenly cried out in terror.
<Rick> Good video. It's almost hard to believe that at one time Windows 98 was the resource hog, but even then, it still ran circles around what Windows 10 can do on today's modern hardware and look a heck of alot better doing it.
May 25, 2021 22:55:12 GMT -6
<Rick> As stated elsewhere, So much for the launch of Windows 11, "The Great Crash." Myself, I had a hard time getting into the site listed above, when I did get in, the video was partly done and then it crashed. There has been many other reports of crashing.
Jun 24, 2021 9:52:33 GMT -6
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<Rick> I see Microsoft has been very quick to pull down reports of site crashing regarding the Launch of Windows 11 on the Microsoft Insiders forum.
Jun 24, 2021 9:57:31 GMT -6
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<Rick> The rebroadcast is working okay.
Jun 24, 2021 11:00:25 GMT -6
<Rick> With reports of people being able to install the dev-edition of Windows 11 on machines not meeting spec, I thought I would give it a what-the-heck try. Lucky me, I'm caught in the downloading, doesn't meet spec, clearing, re-downloading loop on my machine!
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<Rick> I've recently purchased a license for ArcaOS from www.arcanoae.com/ to play with. First impressions, it's still OS/2, but it now has a Linux twist to it.
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<dozrguy> laptop shit out and am stuck buying a new one. os win11 as fucked as win10 was?
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<Rick> Let's see ..., my impression of Windows 11 is that it is a spruced up version of Windows 10 requiring a 64-bit processor plus a piece of security hardware that is less than 4 years old in order for it to run.
Oct 4, 2021 18:25:49 GMT -6
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<Rick> On the plus side, Microsoft is supposed to be supporting Windows 10 for some time to come for those of us still using systems with I7 or older processors.
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<dozrguy> i tried installing win10 om the 'shitout' pc this morning usung media creation. EPIC FAIL! went into an endless bootloop. win7 reinstalled just fine
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<dozrguy> STILL so much bullshit and so little time for the kiddie ideas from the hill. My new laptop (MSI GE 11-UH461) would be an awesome "10" machine but because of Winblows I can only give it a "2"......wasted $3500
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<Rick> Hello. Just checking in.
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<isidroco> Each new w10 update adds >100000 useless files to \Windows\Servicing\LCU\Package_for_RollupFix... folders. Even in a SSD takes time to delete that stuff. In each version they manage to worsen stuff.
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<dozerguy> still traffic here?
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<Rick> No, there does not seem to be very much traffic these days. I still check in from time to time.
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