I had an Internet glitch during the download, and now the Windows Update service is hung. I can't stop it or start it. Will have to wait till tomorrow to reboot since I've got a day-long video encoding project running right now.
After rebooting, Windows Update was in a confused state. I finally managed to get it to start downloading again. After coming back from work, it was displaying an error message saying that the download couldn't proceed "because I was not signed in" (even though I was). After getting it downloading again (this time it started all over again despite being 72% complete), I had another several second Internet dropout about halfway through the new download. Windows Update has since then totally forgotten about the update. I guess it's back to "days" again... What's so hard about writing a downloader? I've written servers and clients singlehandedly that don't have these bugs. I guess the Metro is still showing its true colors (er, literally the lack thereof).
Last Edit: Oct 30, 2015 14:51:14 GMT -6 by Techie007
Microsoft, is Windows 10 the best you could do? Really? After promising to listen to our feedback, what a letdown!
Build 10576 was released to the Fast Ring 37 minutes ago (see release notes and change log). This time I didn't switch my user account from a Microsoft one to a local one, and I learned about the build after seeing excessive Internet usage from my machine. I received the last build four days after release, and the one before that, almost 24 hours after release despite clicking "Check for updates" hundreds of times. This one after leaving my account as a Microsoft account? Mere minutes, and I didn't even have to check for updates. Hilarious!
My update actually carried through uneventfully. I was a bit surprised after seeing your announcement yesterday that my computer was already part way through downloading the update when I checked. I did not have to invoke it. I kind of thought something was up just by how my computer suddenly started losing responsiveness when I was doing something on it yesterday. I'm currently up and running on build 10576. Some of my settings did stay, but not all. Looks like there has been some minor cosmetic changes made again, but I haven't really gone through anything yet.
I'm not that familiar with Google's stuff... I know Android is a derivative of Linux/Unix - can the same be said about their Chrome OS? If so, why is the merger of the two a big deal?
Can't ANYONE come up with a technically better OS than Linux? Windows is based on the old Vax/VMS design, which is IMO better than the ancient Unix design. There CAN'T be just two OS designs all the people in the world have ever been able to think up.
-Noel
Author of the "How to Configure the 'To Work' Options" series of Windows books. Not feeling enough love to do one for Windows 10.
Perhaps the article doesn't really belong here other than I just threw it out there as a what's going on thing. You do bring up a good point about OS lineages though. How many are out there that are technically better? Apple is based on a Unix design for both Mac and IOS. Linux itself is a derivative of Unix. The Windows NT family is born out of the VAX/VMS design. I know there have been a number of upstarts that never really made it commercially. What else is there?
No, no, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to sound critical of you posting it. I'm glad you did. My question was purely technical. It doesn't seem like it should be a big deal to combine two variants of Linux, unless I'm missing something fundamental.
I'm interested in the architecture of ChromeOS to satisfy curiosity about whether it could ultimately replace Windows.
-Noel
Author of the "How to Configure the 'To Work' Options" series of Windows books. Not feeling enough love to do one for Windows 10.
personally i think it will be linux that ultimately replaces windows. its very mature and has a fuck ton of support. right now and historically most of that support is disorganized. its all over the place with folks support their own particular branch etc.. Also Linux has pretty much just been its own entity in its own world. Linux was never really trying to compete with windows. it had its own place. However now that theres a need for someone to step up i think linux has the best chance. If its developers and supporters could get organized under the idea of designing a windows replacement.
I really wasn't thinking about the technical side of things on this one. The part I found interesting was how we now have two companies combining forces to try and copy Microsoft on getting a Universal OS out there for their devices. The more interesting part is the statement from Apple about combining their OS's “subtracts from both, and you don’t get the best experience from either.” That sound very familiar to what we have been enduring with Windows this past year.
The difference is Apple said it but MSFT had to do it just to prove that it was right. Apple didnt have to do it to understand the problem with the LCD approach. Of course you get less from each because each platform has different things it excels at. If any of those things are in conflict the only solution is to eliminate it. Otherwise they wouldnt be "Identical" experiences on both devices. By nature however portables and desktops Have A LOT of differences. Desktops are designed for speed, power, and usability. While portables are designed for portability and consumption. The only overlap in that is the consumption part as desktops can also consume so everything else has to be cut otherwise they wont be identical.
This is EXACTLY what we are seeing with windows right now. Long story short MSFT just proved apple right. Some kids you can just tell them the fire is hot others you have to let them stick their hand in it and MSFT you have to let them do it every 2-3 years before they learn.
Post by Locutus deBorg on Nov 4, 2015 10:52:55 GMT -6
it's only free for the first year after that it's payware again
but following that they will, no matter what anyone says to the contrary they will eventually move to monthly or annual subscription fees
which will equate to: didn't pay the winders bill, access denied, can't log in to winders and winders ape began the groundwork with the "sign in" to winders with an email address
I find the lack of configuration options disturbing !
I felt a great disturbance in the force.. as if millions of win 7 systems suddenly cried out in terror.
'Bout time. Thinking on how support works, can you imagine the increased support cost / decreased customer satisfaction for Dell and HP? They - like us - necessarily care whether it works.
Something is up with that website. It crashes IE in Win7 and Win10.
Humorous story nonetheless.
No crash here in Win 8.1. Checking 10 (10240)... No crash there either. Do you allow ActiveX to run from the wild internet? Do you have malware sites blocked with hosts file entries? What add-ons do you have?
Interestingly, it puts up a message near the bottom that says "You appear to be viewing the UK version of this page. Click here to view the US version." That didn't crash either.
Post by Locutus deBorg on Nov 6, 2015 13:02:21 GMT -6
no crash on my end either
but I never run in default browser settings and never use IE
I get to see the text and images on the page, no ads, no notifications about location, etc.
this part of the article is funny:
Everyone on Windows 7 and Windows 8 can't fail to have noticed the Windows 10 upgrade reminders popping up regularly, and indeed Redmond intends to push the operating system as a recommended update early on next year (be warned, those of you who don't manually vet your updates).
um, I have actually never seen this item on any of my win 7 systems but I guess I'll never see it if I never allow the junkware to install in the first place not everyone runs WUAU in full auto mode, to do so is just plain stupid, dangerous, or both and has been since WUAU was first implemented / invented I have always set WUAU to manual
I find the lack of configuration options disturbing !
I felt a great disturbance in the force.. as if millions of win 7 systems suddenly cried out in terror.
Something is up with that website. It crashes IE in Win7 and Win10.
Humorous story nonetheless.
Crash-free here on Firefox 42, Chrome 46, Internet Explorer 11 and Microsoft Edge 23. Comparing the browsers, one thing was abundantly obvious though:
Firefox was definitely the fastest at displaying the page, content appearing almost instantly and the page loading in just over a second (I do have pipelining enabled).
Edge and Chrome were slower, taking a couple seconds to load the page.
Internet Explorer took about 4 seconds to load the page, with items popping out and the page shifting as it loaded.
Last Edit: Nov 7, 2015 20:01:27 GMT -6 by Techie007
Microsoft, is Windows 10 the best you could do? Really? After promising to listen to our feedback, what a letdown!
That page loads in only a small fraction of a second for me on IE.
I credit partially the fact that it never contacts ad or tracking servers (I have a very effective hosts file), plus my system is a pretty high end beast and I've got decent fiber service. But wow, 4 seconds. I'd be gnashing teeth if a page took that long to load.
-Noel
Author of the "How to Configure the 'To Work' Options" series of Windows books. Not feeling enough love to do one for Windows 10.
I find it so amusing that the media are hailing the introduction of the ability to send SMS messages from your desktop (albeit that the functionality is still flaky). You've been able to do this using Pushbullet for ages and that programme actually works. Crazy times...
“You asked us to pick a menu and stick with it, and we heard you loud and clear. We want to share a snapshot of where we are today thanks to our design/engineering teams, and of course our Windows fans. Keep in touch and let us know what works (and what doesn’t). Consistency is tricky when you have menus built using different frameworks and principles, so we went back to the drawing board with questions that needed answers.”
The biggest problem had to do with different development teams building different menus for Windows 10. To fix this, Microsoft simply brought everyone together and agreed on principles and design direction — including size, color, touch-friendliness, etc.
Yep, certainly looks like "least common denominator" and "built by committee".
I don't plan to ever run the Windows start menu again. The above comment was based on 10240; I haven't looked at it in 10586.
O&O ShutUp 10 is pretty good at reclaiming a lot of privacy with 10. Disabling 50 or so invasive scheduled tasks is good, though I sure would rather be able to see all the HIDDEN ones as well. Maybe there's a tweak for that.
-Noel
Author of the "How to Configure the 'To Work' Options" series of Windows books. Not feeling enough love to do one for Windows 10.
<Rick> Good video. It's almost hard to believe that at one time Windows 98 was the resource hog, but even then, it still ran circles around what Windows 10 can do on today's modern hardware and look a heck of alot better doing it.
May 25, 2021 22:55:12 GMT -6
<Rick> As stated elsewhere, So much for the launch of Windows 11, "The Great Crash." Myself, I had a hard time getting into the site listed above, when I did get in, the video was partly done and then it crashed. There has been many other reports of crashing.
Jun 24, 2021 9:52:33 GMT -6
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<Rick> I see Microsoft has been very quick to pull down reports of site crashing regarding the Launch of Windows 11 on the Microsoft Insiders forum.
Jun 24, 2021 9:57:31 GMT -6
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<Rick> The rebroadcast is working okay.
Jun 24, 2021 11:00:25 GMT -6
<Rick> With reports of people being able to install the dev-edition of Windows 11 on machines not meeting spec, I thought I would give it a what-the-heck try. Lucky me, I'm caught in the downloading, doesn't meet spec, clearing, re-downloading loop on my machine!
Jul 2, 2021 7:08:46 GMT -6
<Rick> I've recently purchased a license for ArcaOS from www.arcanoae.com/ to play with. First impressions, it's still OS/2, but it now has a Linux twist to it.
Jul 2, 2021 7:32:53 GMT -6
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<dozrguy> laptop shit out and am stuck buying a new one. os win11 as fucked as win10 was?
Oct 2, 2021 12:56:10 GMT -6
<Rick> Let's see ..., my impression of Windows 11 is that it is a spruced up version of Windows 10 requiring a 64-bit processor plus a piece of security hardware that is less than 4 years old in order for it to run.
Oct 4, 2021 18:25:49 GMT -6
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<Rick> On the plus side, Microsoft is supposed to be supporting Windows 10 for some time to come for those of us still using systems with I7 or older processors.
Oct 4, 2021 18:44:35 GMT -6
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<dozrguy> i tried installing win10 om the 'shitout' pc this morning usung media creation. EPIC FAIL! went into an endless bootloop. win7 reinstalled just fine
Oct 21, 2021 11:23:38 GMT -6
<dozrguy> STILL so much bullshit and so little time for the kiddie ideas from the hill. My new laptop (MSI GE 11-UH461) would be an awesome "10" machine but because of Winblows I can only give it a "2"......wasted $3500
Oct 27, 2021 9:36:47 GMT -6
<Rick> Hello. Just checking in.
Mar 17, 2022 10:46:54 GMT -6
<isidroco> Each new w10 update adds >100000 useless files to \Windows\Servicing\LCU\Package_for_RollupFix... folders. Even in a SSD takes time to delete that stuff. In each version they manage to worsen stuff.
Mar 27, 2022 16:14:51 GMT -6
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<dozerguy> still traffic here?
Oct 9, 2022 17:32:44 GMT -6
<Rick> No, there does not seem to be very much traffic these days. I still check in from time to time.
Oct 9, 2022 20:08:58 GMT -6