Post by Bayer A.User on Oct 12, 2016 16:07:25 GMT -6
As of October 2016, last remaining hope of vetting your KB's via WU is going away forever.....
Paraphrasing TechNet blog: Nathan Mercer MSFT product manager . Patching via WU for Win7,8.1, and Server2012 R2
Security patches will be combined each month into a single Security-only Update that will only be available from the MSFT update catalog. Corporate networks can still use WSUS or SCCM.
All Security & nonsecurity patches will be combined into the "cumulative monthly rollup" via WU as well as the online catalog.
You can uninstall both of them if you choose, but not hide them.
.Net receives its own dedicated updates, iex11 both manual security only as well as the cumulative monthly rollup. No more driver updates via WU
Out of band security updates will be posted as soon as available.
No changes for Vista or Server2008
As for me, I've seen/installed Silverlight security updates via WU because netflix requires it. MSE & Defender still update signatures manually as long as wuauserv isn't redlining the system resources. Also, I've seen strange reversions of the time/date as result of the internet time sync servers being changed.
Post by Locutus deBorg on Oct 13, 2016 6:20:53 GMT -6
they say updates are important for security
this will lead to it getting turned off by more users
even the IT forums I visit are saying bad MS no cookie ! about this garbage
everyone I'm helping is already running with WUAU shut off has been shut off since the gwx malware was released also has been shut off since WUAU SVCHOSED.EXE CPU and RAM Abuse started - which they refuse to actually fix
disable time sync it's not necessary for workgroup or standalone systems unless you are on a domain where the 3 minute max difference blocks domain log in authentication
have to do that in 2 places
a> right click the clock in the task bar - select adjust date / time - select the "internet time" tab and disable it
b> open services.msc - select windows time and set it to disabled - click stop button to shut it down
no more time sync abuse I've been shutting that junk off since the first time I saw it
for domain joined systems, set a local time server
I find the lack of configuration options disturbing !
I felt a great disturbance in the force.. as if millions of win 7 systems suddenly cried out in terror.
everyone I'm helping is already running with WUAU shut off has been shut off since the gwx malware was released also has been shut off since WUAU SVCHOSED.EXE CPU and RAM Abuse started - which they refuse to actually fix
I hear ya loud n clear,Locutus. Being able to get only important security updates was the only reason to run WU at all. The cumulative all or nothing rollups will cause problems in 7 & 8.1 the same as they have with Win10. Not being able to pick n choose is the END as far as i'm concerned. Like i said, if the people you are helping want to watch Netflix then you'll need to keep them current with Silverlight. Eventually it will fall from grace just like flashplayer and java did.
this will lead to it getting turned off by more users
I wonder about the long game...
An individual might likely turn off updates.
Microsoft could rescind their activation on the grounds that they are being irresponsible and putting the cloud "community" at risk by not keeping up with security fixes.
Plausible?
-Noel
Author of the "How to Configure the 'To Work' Options" series of Windows books. Not feeling enough love to do one for Windows 10.
this will lead to it getting turned off by more users
I wonder about the long game...
An individual might likely turn off updates.
Microsoft could rescind their activation on the grounds that they are being irresponsible and putting the cloud "community" at risk by not keeping up with security fixes.
Plausible?
-Noel
Shit, srFreakman has been saying THAT all along !! I myself don't mind getting only security updates from the Msft Update Catalog website. The problem is that it is archaic,outdated and only ocassionally is worth a damn. Activex and scripts must run, if only on that site via "Trusted Zone" in iex11 internet options.
FYI, for quite a while now on my systems I have scheduled the time sync program from the National Institute of Standards and Technology to run every 4 hours:
Specifically, the command line I use is: nistime-32bit.exe Once
It's not the world's best behaved Windows application, so as I recall I also had to set the Task Scheduler to terminate it if it hasn't exited on its own in a few minutes. But when it gets through it does keep my clocks spot on.
-Noel
Author of the "How to Configure the 'To Work' Options" series of Windows books. Not feeling enough love to do one for Windows 10.
I hear ya loud n clear,Locutus. Being able to get only important security updates was the only reason to run WU at all. The cumulative all or nothing rollups will cause problems in 7 & 8.1 the same as they have with Win10. Not being able to pick n choose is the END as far as i'm concerned. Like i said, if the people you are helping want to watch Netflix then you'll need to keep them current with Silverlight. Eventually it will fall from grace just like flashplayer and java did.
Silverlight will prompt for a update with Windows updates off, and you can leave the check box for updating via Windows Update unchecked. I just did this yesterday.
A number of other options here:
Run Vista
Run Sever 2008, which is on my two servers here
Setup a WSUS server, but there is really no apparent value on doing the updates. Risk versus reward.
It may get to this point, be we are not there yet.
Btw, did you see the finale of Halt and Catch fire? Pretty cool TV, great old technology used.
Post by Locutus deBorg on Oct 13, 2016 11:11:30 GMT -6
almost anything is possible with those clowns
however -> they don't even know who has crapdates enabled or disabled now, how are they going to check in the future especially if it requires an update be installed to check if you have updates enabled !?
I can see them doing something with oranguten making it so that it has to connect / contact the MS spyware servers within specified time frames else the key "goes bad"
the problem they're going to have with oranguten is if oranguten is really the last version they will eventually run out of keys and this will likely be used to justify making keys "go bad" so they can be resold and keys will become like anything else - phone numbers - addresses etc.
ever get a new phone number only to immediately start being harassed by bill collectors etc. looking for the previous user of said phone number ?!
but I don't actually see them giving two shifts about 7 or ape dot x they got their cash from those and are working* (ahem colluding) with hardware Mfg. to block support for previous version OS they've been doing that since the P-I and winders 95 / NT 4
also they can never invalidate OEM SLP Keys to invalidate the SLP key on one invalidates all systems installed with the same OEM SLP key
I find the lack of configuration options disturbing !
I felt a great disturbance in the force.. as if millions of win 7 systems suddenly cried out in terror.
Post by Bayer A.User on Oct 13, 2016 11:58:36 GMT -6
Just completed the standalone install of the security KB 319 2391(October2016 security ONLY) for Win7x64 via the update catalog website. With MY firewall rules and WU disabled this is the way it will be from now on. My guess is that legacy Windows OS will just wilt on the vine.
Post by Bayer A.User on Oct 14, 2016 6:36:56 GMT -6
I now have one Win7x64 machine online that will be my testbed for manual security only updates via the update catalog website. So far,so good. This a.m. went through the"standalone Oct2016 Security ONLY" update KB 319 2391 and was happy to see no extraneous crappola in it. With less than 4years extended support remaining, this is something we need to wrap our brains around. Anyone who intends to maintain legacy OS going forward will need to do more than just disable Windows Update.
On a positive note, MSFT claims it is their intention to improve the update catalog website and in the very near future remove the activeX control requirement. I'll believe it when i see it.
With less than 4years extended support remaining, this is something we need to wrap our brains around. Anyone who intends to maintain legacy OS going forward will need to do more than just disable Windows Update.
Bayer,
Please enlighten us with the rationale behind these thoughts.
With less than 4years extended support remaining, this is something we need to wrap our brains around. Anyone who intends to maintain legacy OS going forward will need to do more than just disable Windows Update.
Bayer,
Please enlighten us with the rationale behind these thoughts.
Not to worry Mike, Climate change will eliminate you long before you have to concern yourself.
Since you ask...Heartbleed was something no one predicted. A simple handshake transmitted in the clear was all that was needed to compromise the encryption. SSL was fine,until it wasn't. TLS 1.0 was fine until it wasn't. New Supercomputers will crack available versions and so forth.
the thing is, MS will need keep win7 viable for at least another 10 years for corporate use. edge is not a replacement.after that I won't care. winXP, 2001, has more market share than all of win8, and as much as win10!
winblows update has been disabled on all my machines since my debacle with 10 and GWX. It will continue to be so for as long as i have the ability to fight the goons at MSFT off. best offense is a good defense!
I don't understand. Microsoft only has our best interests at heart, and only sends us the best possible software. We should all be thankful to have such a wonderful benefactor as MSFT. Bill Gates is the greatest....nah fuck it, I can't do it. I was almost there, and just started cracking up. Bill Gates is the AntiChrist. MSFT is the BLM of software companies. Their entire staff takes a knee during the national anthem. Shit.
I don't understand. Microsoft only has our best interests at heart, and only sends us the best possible software. We should all be thankful to have such a wonderful benefactor as MSFT. Bill Gates is the greatest....nah fuck it, I can't do it. I was almost there, and just started cracking up. Bill Gates is the AntiChrist. MSFT is the BLM of software companies. Their entire staff takes a knee during the national anthem. Shit.
Right, they want to ram windows updates up your ass to keep you secure, but with the other side of their mouths they support IoT and plugging millions of unsecure, surveillance cameras, dvr's, baby monitors, and thermostats (for christ's sake) into OUR Internet and screw it up in the name of making money.
Win 8.1 here got its last update on July 4. Win 7 here got its last update in mid May.
Both are still running perfectly and facilitating my work.
How long will this bliss last? I don't know.
Locutus has it just right: The "Cumulative" BS from Microsoft in Win 7 and 8 update just means I feel more secure in my decision to disable the Windows Update service and block the sites with my firewall and just not look back.
I knew for years that the time to cut off Microsoft's foot in my door was coming, and it came. The upside? I've wasted near zero time worrying about updates for the past 4 months.
What I see coming in the future is that maybe one day I'll get a new application (or an update to one I already have) that just won't work right. Once that happens a few times I'll re-evaluate my position. Most likely it'll be a new computer that pushes me to a new OS. Maybe - highly unlikely but not a probability of absolute zero - Win 10 will become something worth running. Or maybe I'll get a system that runs an entirely different OS.
Microsoft has turned off the straight and narrow and are running full throttle through the cactuses of the desert. It no longer feels good on the backside to ride their coattails.
Post by Locutus deBorg on Oct 24, 2016 22:16:40 GMT -6
> What I see coming in the future is that maybe one day I'll get a new application (or an update to one I already have) that just won't work.
usually programs are hardware, OS, Service Pack level, dot nut version, and Rarely IE version, dependent
eg. you can install Roxio / Sonic Creator 2009 on XP SP3 / XP x64 SP2 however, it gets grumpy if it detects the OS is still on IE6
Never have I ever heard of any software package that has, System Requirements: ... must have security update KB####### installed ....
but what we will likely see in the future is
> must have oranguten release ##### or later
which will then become: > only works with oranguten release ##### to #####
and at that point developers other than the huge enterprise devs like symantec, autodesk, etc. will stop running on the upgrade treadmill
if I were coding and found that I had to change my code 3 - 6 times per year in order to fix whatever the latest release or updates borked I'd definitely quit
I find the lack of configuration options disturbing !
I felt a great disturbance in the force.. as if millions of win 7 systems suddenly cried out in terror.
<Rick> Good video. It's almost hard to believe that at one time Windows 98 was the resource hog, but even then, it still ran circles around what Windows 10 can do on today's modern hardware and look a heck of alot better doing it.
May 25, 2021 22:55:12 GMT -6
<Rick> As stated elsewhere, So much for the launch of Windows 11, "The Great Crash." Myself, I had a hard time getting into the site listed above, when I did get in, the video was partly done and then it crashed. There has been many other reports of crashing.
Jun 24, 2021 9:52:33 GMT -6
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<Rick> I see Microsoft has been very quick to pull down reports of site crashing regarding the Launch of Windows 11 on the Microsoft Insiders forum.
Jun 24, 2021 9:57:31 GMT -6
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<Rick> The rebroadcast is working okay.
Jun 24, 2021 11:00:25 GMT -6
<Rick> With reports of people being able to install the dev-edition of Windows 11 on machines not meeting spec, I thought I would give it a what-the-heck try. Lucky me, I'm caught in the downloading, doesn't meet spec, clearing, re-downloading loop on my machine!
Jul 2, 2021 7:08:46 GMT -6
<Rick> I've recently purchased a license for ArcaOS from www.arcanoae.com/ to play with. First impressions, it's still OS/2, but it now has a Linux twist to it.
Jul 2, 2021 7:32:53 GMT -6
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<dozrguy> laptop shit out and am stuck buying a new one. os win11 as fucked as win10 was?
Oct 2, 2021 12:56:10 GMT -6
<Rick> Let's see ..., my impression of Windows 11 is that it is a spruced up version of Windows 10 requiring a 64-bit processor plus a piece of security hardware that is less than 4 years old in order for it to run.
Oct 4, 2021 18:25:49 GMT -6
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<Rick> On the plus side, Microsoft is supposed to be supporting Windows 10 for some time to come for those of us still using systems with I7 or older processors.
Oct 4, 2021 18:44:35 GMT -6
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<dozrguy> i tried installing win10 om the 'shitout' pc this morning usung media creation. EPIC FAIL! went into an endless bootloop. win7 reinstalled just fine
Oct 21, 2021 11:23:38 GMT -6
<dozrguy> STILL so much bullshit and so little time for the kiddie ideas from the hill. My new laptop (MSI GE 11-UH461) would be an awesome "10" machine but because of Winblows I can only give it a "2"......wasted $3500
Oct 27, 2021 9:36:47 GMT -6
<Rick> Hello. Just checking in.
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<isidroco> Each new w10 update adds >100000 useless files to \Windows\Servicing\LCU\Package_for_RollupFix... folders. Even in a SSD takes time to delete that stuff. In each version they manage to worsen stuff.
Mar 27, 2022 16:14:51 GMT -6
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<dozerguy> still traffic here?
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<Rick> No, there does not seem to be very much traffic these days. I still check in from time to time.
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