More Vista x64 status... After the first set of 150+ updates went in (with 1 failure), the second set was detected within about a minute. That set of 28 went in in about 5 minutes (with 1 failure).
This whole "resource-wasting updates" problem smells like someone using object-oriented list functions in an inappropriate way to manage the list of updates under the covers.
And let's get this straight: There are hundreds of updates. Not millions. Computers have been able to do hundreds of things in an eyeblink since the 1960s!
-Noel
Author of the "How to Configure the 'To Work' Options" series of Windows books. Not feeling enough love to do one for Windows 10.
Post by Locutus deBorg on Mar 23, 2016 11:20:10 GMT -6
mine was 6 1/2 hours of 100% CPU to get 144
image at the bottom:
also Noel as your copy of Vista is an Upgrade there is usually zero problem with transfer to new hardware Three types are transferable A> VLK B> Retail FPP C> Upgrade FPP
though they do have a "magic" cut off number for B & C where even phone in quits working
100 % CPU
6 1/2 hours
I find the lack of configuration options disturbing !
I felt a great disturbance in the force.. as if millions of win 7 systems suddenly cried out in terror.
Once I got the first set of updates, which included that recent kernel security patch (KB3139852), all subsequent iterations went through smoothly and quickly.
It's all done.
How beautifully serene Vista seems just sitting there with a process count in the high 30s. And I haven't done any tuning or tweaking to speak of.
I didn't really look over the updates too carefully, insofar as my system is just for testing software and not for use otherwise. Does Microsoft push the telemetry stuff for Vista?
-Noel
Author of the "How to Configure the 'To Work' Options" series of Windows books. Not feeling enough love to do one for Windows 10.
This is what giving it 4 cores of a dual Xeon x5690 setup measured:
I was a little surprised to see the low Desktop performance number, but I presume it must be hindered by the virtualization. It seems interactive and smooth enough in actual use.
It boots up in about 30 seconds and shuts down in 10 seconds.
-Noel
Author of the "How to Configure the 'To Work' Options" series of Windows books. Not feeling enough love to do one for Windows 10.
Post by Bayer A.User on Mar 24, 2016 12:44:00 GMT -6
You guys motivated me to do a second Vista Home Premium x86 install on the best hardware i could muster at this time.
No sleep last night resulted in a few learned lessons: Clean offline install, plus standalone sp1 and sp2 results in non functional WU like Locutus said. System restored back to sp1, went online and immediatly got 100important security updates. Then a couple dozen optional brand specific. .Net, silverlight, etc. 4 hours later was offered Sp2 KB948465. A trip to intel website for a HD display driver to replace the goofy generic windows VGA Now i have a valid activated install with WU stuck in the mud
Gawd, its easy on the eyes with Aero in all its glory as well as lightning fast .
Post by Locutus deBorg on Mar 24, 2016 20:33:43 GMT -6
Noel - was it 5 hours each side or 5 hours total ?
is the Xeon(s) running at full clock 3.46GHz or speed stepped ?
it seems that my HP Pavilion DV6948 PentiumD system beats the Celery PentiumD is doing it in about 4 - 5 hours per side so 9 - 10 hours per SVCHOST.EXE Session but poor old mr. celery 2.0GHz is taking over 6 hours per side right now the uptime is 21:08 and 15:38 of that is SCVHOST.EXE for 2 non restart updates and it's not done yet there's still 140 to be done I don't bulk install the whole lot rather sort them by release date (friggin manually as of SP2) and select them accordingly
restart required updates are triple time 6 hours on boot up before SVCHOST.EXE stops install update(s) 6 hours post install before SVCHOST.EXE stops initiate reboot 6 hours post Reboot before SVCHOST.EXE stops and another batch can be installed
I find the lack of configuration options disturbing !
I felt a great disturbance in the force.. as if millions of win 7 systems suddenly cried out in terror.
5 hours total. After the installation of the big update set that included KB3139852, every subsequent update session (I think there were 3 more) took under 5 minutes.
It's a VM, so how the actual processor is run is a bit unclear, but indications are that it runs the one core at full power.
You're doing yourself no favor by staging them. They do all go in okay at once, then another, smaller set is revealed. The iteration continues until there are none.
-Noel
Author of the "How to Configure the 'To Work' Options" series of Windows books. Not feeling enough love to do one for Windows 10.
Post by Locutus deBorg on Mar 25, 2016 10:39:39 GMT -6
staging is safer
I've had nothing but problems every time a bulk installation has been attempted on any hardware: - win2K outright crash requiring reload of OS from scratch - XP boot loops or reboot to BSOD requiring reload of OS - vista, win 7, and winders ape : black screen, no boot etc. requiring system restore which will roll back all the updates and starting over with downloading all the updates again as seen in task mangler add the bytes sent and bytes received to the network tab set tab always active and show cumulative data to see the several hundred MB(vista, win 7) to multiple GB(winders ape) of data downloaded when a crapdate fails during a staged session only that one or few is lost to the system restore
also prefer to review the updates as I can't possibly remember all the bad ones eg. bad update is KB951847 installs MS dot nut malware assistant into Firefox so I refuse to install it
- - - woke up to this: 25 hours
I find the lack of configuration options disturbing !
I felt a great disturbance in the force.. as if millions of win 7 systems suddenly cried out in terror.
It's interesting the different perspectives we have because of the gravity of the risks and the ease of restoral...
As I installed Windows Vista into a VM on an array of SSDs, I have the luxury of thinking, "I'll just restore a snapshot if something goes wrong". I can literally make a new snapshot in 5 seconds and restore one in 30 seconds.
Someone installing Vista on hardware, without an easy possibility of saving/restoring a snapshot, understandably can't take so cavalier an approach. Yes, there is the possibility of a system image backup save / restoral, but man, the difference between 5 seconds and a few hours is huge!
On the other point, I agree. I do vet every update I apply to my critical systems, but with this Vista setup I'm really only setting a system up to do some validation testing and not to be my main work environment, so it was easier to blaze through them all. There doesn't seem to be a GWX threat on Vista (though I'm not sure about Telemetry).
-Noel
Author of the "How to Configure the 'To Work' Options" series of Windows books. Not feeling enough love to do one for Windows 10.
Post by Locutus deBorg on Mar 29, 2016 13:00:40 GMT -6
still chipping away at the Inspiron 1525 vista install
remembered a procedure to reduce wait time
after installing a batch of (restart required) crapdates watch (un)TrustedInstaller.exe and as soon as it hits zero CPU usage reboot before SVCHOST.EXE can start up again this eliminates one of the 6+ hours SVCHOST.EXE run time on reboot the 6 hours starts rather than waiting for 13 hours 6+ before reboot 6+ post reboot before another batch can be installed hope to get it done before the next crash Tuesday on Apr. 12
I find the lack of configuration options disturbing !
I felt a great disturbance in the force.. as if millions of win 7 systems suddenly cried out in terror.
Post by Locutus deBorg on Apr 13, 2016 15:30:35 GMT -6
well here we are again crash Tuesday and another 4 - 6 hours pre and post updates SVCHOST.EXE 100% CPU Usage cycle
KB3139852 doesn't solve or stop the problem on any of my vista or win 7 systems 4 hours on the PentiumD to get the list ready for download now waiting for the downloads to occur
and this time the fan is going nuts full blast
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I find the lack of configuration options disturbing !
I felt a great disturbance in the force.. as if millions of win 7 systems suddenly cried out in terror.
Post by Bayer A.User on Apr 13, 2016 21:35:14 GMT -6
Locutus deBorg, Same here with vista & 7. Hours searching for updates then hours to dwnld with the fan running hard. Update tuesday used to be a simple thing. I will let it run overnight.
More than adequate hardware + fast internet, crazy stuff.
Post by Locutus deBorg on Apr 14, 2016 0:45:23 GMT -6
PentiumD was 8h:21m before SVCHOSED.EXE was finished and ready for updates to be installed installed and shutdown before the next 8+ hours could start it was doing this in less than 5 hours before installing that supposed "fix" update ()
here's what I got on XP-Pro last night 2016-04-12 "instantly" no 4 hour wait for it
MRT.exe was downloaded and ready for install in less than 2 minutes
Compaq NC6220 PentiumM 1.7GHz single core no HT Intel 915 Chipset 910-915GMA 2GB DDR2 120GB IDE 5,400RPM HDD Short Stroked C:\
I find the lack of configuration options disturbing !
I felt a great disturbance in the force.. as if millions of win 7 systems suddenly cried out in terror.
I completely STOPPED using wundows update for anything. its turned to just as big a POS to my computers as Win10 was. they arent offering anything i need, and i surely do not need their deviousness
<Rick> Good video. It's almost hard to believe that at one time Windows 98 was the resource hog, but even then, it still ran circles around what Windows 10 can do on today's modern hardware and look a heck of alot better doing it.
May 25, 2021 22:55:12 GMT -6
<Rick> As stated elsewhere, So much for the launch of Windows 11, "The Great Crash." Myself, I had a hard time getting into the site listed above, when I did get in, the video was partly done and then it crashed. There has been many other reports of crashing.
Jun 24, 2021 9:52:33 GMT -6
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<Rick> I see Microsoft has been very quick to pull down reports of site crashing regarding the Launch of Windows 11 on the Microsoft Insiders forum.
Jun 24, 2021 9:57:31 GMT -6
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<Rick> The rebroadcast is working okay.
Jun 24, 2021 11:00:25 GMT -6
<Rick> With reports of people being able to install the dev-edition of Windows 11 on machines not meeting spec, I thought I would give it a what-the-heck try. Lucky me, I'm caught in the downloading, doesn't meet spec, clearing, re-downloading loop on my machine!
Jul 2, 2021 7:08:46 GMT -6
<Rick> I've recently purchased a license for ArcaOS from www.arcanoae.com/ to play with. First impressions, it's still OS/2, but it now has a Linux twist to it.
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<dozrguy> laptop shit out and am stuck buying a new one. os win11 as fucked as win10 was?
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<Rick> Let's see ..., my impression of Windows 11 is that it is a spruced up version of Windows 10 requiring a 64-bit processor plus a piece of security hardware that is less than 4 years old in order for it to run.
Oct 4, 2021 18:25:49 GMT -6
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<Rick> On the plus side, Microsoft is supposed to be supporting Windows 10 for some time to come for those of us still using systems with I7 or older processors.
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<dozrguy> i tried installing win10 om the 'shitout' pc this morning usung media creation. EPIC FAIL! went into an endless bootloop. win7 reinstalled just fine
Oct 21, 2021 11:23:38 GMT -6
<dozrguy> STILL so much bullshit and so little time for the kiddie ideas from the hill. My new laptop (MSI GE 11-UH461) would be an awesome "10" machine but because of Winblows I can only give it a "2"......wasted $3500
Oct 27, 2021 9:36:47 GMT -6
<Rick> Hello. Just checking in.
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<isidroco> Each new w10 update adds >100000 useless files to \Windows\Servicing\LCU\Package_for_RollupFix... folders. Even in a SSD takes time to delete that stuff. In each version they manage to worsen stuff.
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<dozerguy> still traffic here?
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<Rick> No, there does not seem to be very much traffic these days. I still check in from time to time.
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