Well MSFT closed up half a point on NASDAQ today. However if you look at they're performance over the last 3 months, you can see the big hit they took around release. Now they're just getting back to their normal flat 46 to 47. I think that the stockholders are going to want an explanation as to why they're big play netted them back to flat sales growth. If they don't pull a rabbit out of their asses soon, I think we're looking at regime change soon, if not rapid selloff.
It's possible that the tweaks I've done with 3rd party stuff to resurrect a nice look and feel may actually be helping it render more efficiently.
That would be the ultimate irony: A system that looks prettier due to 3rd-party tweaks hooking Windows functions in the background that ends up being more efficient too. Weren't we told that one of the reasons Aero Glass was deprecated was to make things faster and increase battery life? This might be worth measuring sometime!
I wish i had the time to properly set up glass8 like noel has. sadly its quite a bit of work and little documentation. My biggest problem is that msft will do something that kills it as soon as i do it. TBH if you have a PC made in the last 10 years or so the difference in aero performance is to a point you couldnt notice it anyway. everyone knows Aero died because MSFT (being the followers they are now) wanted to follow android in its UI in an effort to get google cocksuckers to jump on and they follow Apple with their update/pay paradigm to get those knuckle draggers as well. They know full damn well that the userbase they already had wont be around for much longer.
I'm not a programmer nor a developer like most of those who are here. At that, I'm finding Windows 10 just needs way to many hacks and work arounds just to get it to be reasonblely acceptable to use.
That's the point. It's why so many people HATE WINDOWS 10. It supposed to work for you, not drive you out of your ever loving mind looking for ways to survive with it.
I'm thankful that I am technically minded and can work through these things. You are right though, many users do not have the patience nor the time to deal with it. Most people just want to get on their computers and get their tasks done with minimal fuss. I already heard from people I know who say they love Windows 10, but also say that they needed the third party add-on patch to make it more functional.
theres the rub isnt it? In the process of dumbing it down so idiots can use it they dumbed it to far down so that even the idiots are complaining its too limited. and MSFT wonders why they cant even give that shit away for free
I wish i had the time to properly set up glass8 like noel has. sadly its quite a bit of work and little documentation. My biggest problem is that msft will do something that kills it as soon as i do it. TBH if you have a PC made in the last 10 years or so the difference in aero performance is to a point you couldnt notice it anyway. everyone knows Aero died because MSFT (being the followers they are now) wanted to follow android in its UI in an effort to get google cocksuckers to jump on and they follow Apple with their update/pay paradigm to get those knuckle draggers as well. They know full damn well that the userbase they already had wont be around for much longer.
Yeah, I went ahead and set up Glass8 in build 10240, and wasn't too impressed because all it did was add glass to the window frames and caption. A couple days later, another build came out, and it promptly broke Glass8.
Microsoft, is Windows 10 the best you could do? Really? After promising to listen to our feedback, what a letdown!
yep I made that claim last year about rolling updates breaking shit and everyone laughed me off the thread. I guess im stupid and have no idea what im talking about. What with me being a developer in 7 programming languages spanning 8 platforms for 20 years (since I was 8 years old) being self taught on every bit of it with no formal education in it whatsoever. pfft how dare I think I might know one or two things?
Hey, I'll take any configuration method they give me. At least the colors were not hardcoded in! On a more somber note, it's obvious that Microsoft doesn't think that changing the colors is supposed to be a simple process. Who knows when my registry edit trick will be broken?
Post by BayerA.User on Oct 17, 2015 13:32:29 GMT -6
There is another way to add some class to the DWM in 10, GPedit " Force Specific Visual Style" You can choose %windir%\resources\Themes\Luna\Luna.msstyles
yep I made that claim last year about rolling updates breaking shit and everyone laughed me off the thread. I guess im stupid and have no idea what im talking about. What with me being a developer in 7 programming languages spanning 8 platforms for 20 years (since I was 8 years old) being self taught on every bit of it with no formal education in it whatsoever. pfft how dare I think I might know one or two things?
Wow, you're that young and have such wisdom? I'm impressed. Seriously.
Regarding battery life. At some point in Windows 8 I actually DID do some detailed power measurements. I found there are ZERO measurable gains in efficiency by compositing a shitty, flat theme than by compositing one that uses a glass blur. It's just another complete mind fuck by Microsoft.
In fact, I can't think of a case where I discovered Windows 8.x or 10 run significantly better in any way than their predecessor. When doing detailed testing I found a graphics operation in PassMark PerformanceTest that ran 1% or 2% faster than on Win 7, but that difference falls within the run to run variance. One day I'll boot Win 10 back up on that hardware and do another series of tests.
What I *HAVE* found is that in MANY significant, easily measurable ways Windows 10 is LESS efficient than Windows 7.
Anyone want to have a little fun? Try this on the two different systems:
Open an Explorer window.
Navigate to the root directory of drive C:.
In the Files (right) pane, select all the files and folders.
Right-click, do Properties, and TIME how long it takes to enumerate them all.
Now do it again to test with cached data instead of direct disk access.
Compare the files per second time to just read through the NTFS file system directory structure between systems. Be prepared to see a shocking difference between Windows 7 and its successors. I'll be interested in hearing others' numbers.
File system access of the directory structure is something done as a part of almost every operation a system does. It's no wonder Windows 10 is actually slower at most things.
Post by Bayer A.User on Oct 17, 2015 14:45:30 GMT -6
Afternoon all, This is gonna be the place to be for the REAL Win10 testers. Looking forward to the REAL insider information on the subject. Microsoft really did screw the pooch on 10. The company seems to be run by a bunch of hippie dippies that Share everything and never pay for anything. In the US we throw out day old food that is still warm. Win10 is cooling off fast and wont last.
I was the luckiest millennial alive. My parents were rabbits and continued fuckin long into their late lives. My nearest sibling is my brother who's 15 years older than I am. He got me into computers when I was 8 and made me go through the paces. We built a PC together however I started on a commodore 64 playin with its built in basic interpreter. I was also playing with casio and TI calculator programming. That got me into asm and C. I started with windows 3.0 then 3.1 for about a year and a half before going to 95 and 98 then 98se for another 2 years. tried ME and it sucked so went to Win2k Adv Server for another year then started messing with XP betas in the 12/13 year old range. By now I was an oper on dalnet and was heavy into mIRC scripting (the name of my channel is #Genscripts for general scripting help which later just involved all programming). My brother was in the navy so he was away a lot. coming back from leave one day he saw me on my new PC I built myself with a later beta of XP. I just went from there. I was already in c/c++ quite a lot and decided to do an asm/c hybrid clone of windows for my TI-92+ which later becaome a Voyage 200 calculators. A full clone too including dynamic loading and preemptive multitasking. It currently exports 491 of the MSDN API's spanning gdi kernel and user (rest to follow).
To date I have over 1000 PC's built under my belt and have sold many of my projects under freelancing (one of which was a A/V Media encoder I sold for $10k to a company that never used it lol). I have a lot of experience because my brother started me at that point. The same point many folks my senior also started at so I share the same experiences as they. That's why although I am only 28 when I hear guys like you and BBBB and mike I can easily relate and also why most of the win10 fanboys hate me too.
As for a new thread for glass8 that would be great. It would be awesome if this forum actually provides more assistance than the other one. I found a solution for Aero glass though. I went back to 7 I could go through it with my laptop or a VM however.
By now everyone has heard of the ginormous failure of windows 10. I believe it began with windows 8 and has just continued the downward spiral circling the drain. I predict in the not too distant future MSFT will go the way of sega and just make mobile apps for other OS's like sega stopped making hardware and just did games for other consoles.
However in the spirit of conversation what are everyones thoughts on this and why do you think MSFT will or wont crash?
Amy I couldnt agree more with your evaluation I think were looking at a struggling company with no clear plan or direction for windows, a company that has already become much more irreverent in an android/*.Nix world, and they seem hellbent on driving themselves out of business completely.
the part i cant wrap my head around is WHY Microsoft continues to constantly stab themselves in the foot, win8 was doomed from beta, and we told them so, and it failed bigtime, yet they are still clinging to their shitty self breaking, hard to fix, metro app system and doing things to windows that either are so buggy they often fail to even work, or deliberate design choices that people hate, all while removing options and features people really like.
I just dont understand it, it seems like they are being eratic, and self destructive, to their own interests.
yep I made that claim last year about rolling updates breaking shit and everyone laughed me off the thread. I guess im stupid and have no idea what im talking about. What with me being a developer in 7 programming languages spanning 8 platforms for 20 years (since I was 8 years old) being self taught on every bit of it with no formal education in it whatsoever. pfft how dare I think I might know one or two things?
Wow, you're that young and have such wisdom? I'm impressed. Seriously.
Regarding battery life. At some point in Windows 8 I actually DID do some detailed power measurements. I found there are ZERO measurable gains in efficiency by compositing a shitty, flat theme than by compositing one that uses a glass blur. It's just another complete mind fuck by Microsoft.
I guess there's no opportunity like now to admit she's a little older than me. Reading her later post reveals that we have similar backgrounds both in computers/programming and in family (except that my numerous siblings are all close together in age). So much for everyone thinking that the "phone OS" Windows has become appeals to all youngsters, or that all Millennials are dummies!
Regarding battery life, Microsoft introduced a tickless timer in Windows 8, which is also supposed to help increase energy efficiency. I have the feeling that all the new infrastructure and bloat added to Windows 8 (and increased in Windows 10) to support apps has counteracted much of the gains made the core OS. Windows 10 introduces RAM compression. Guess why they needed that? Unless I uninstall all the apps, I tend to end up with at least a half-dozen running in the background all the time, each using over 40 MB of RAM. I guess we should be grateful for these unnoticed improvements or Windows would be even less efficient now than it is with all the bloat that has been added recently!
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Microsoft, is Windows 10 the best you could do? Really? After promising to listen to our feedback, what a letdown!
Well MSFT closed up half a point on NASDAQ today. However if you look at they're performance over the last 3 months, you can see the big hit they took around release. Now they're just getting back to their normal flat 46 to 47. I think that the stockholders are going to want an explanation as to why they're big play netted them back to flat sales growth. If they don't pull a rabbit out of their asses soon, I think we're looking at regime change soon, if not rapid selloff.
Not to rain on your party, but MSFT is just following the DOW. See below:
Figure 1: DOW and MSFT in the last three months (animated)
Figure 2: DOW and MSFT in the last three months (overlaid)
I was surprised to learn that Microsoft's stock value has been mirroring the DOW for a long time. Here's an overlay of the last 10 years:
Figure 3: DOW and MSFT in the last 10 years (overlaid)
Microsoft, is Windows 10 the best you could do? Really? After promising to listen to our feedback, what a letdown!
>I tend to end up with at least a half-dozen running in the background all the time, each using over 40 MB of RAM. I guess we should be grateful for these unnoticed improvements or Windows would be even less efficient now than it is with all the bloat that has been added recently!
(the post quoting system here leaves a little to be desired)
I noticed that as well. That led me to aggressively seek some optimization.
I've actually been rather happy that so far Metro/Modern/Universal hasn't grown up to deliver anything at all useful so far. It's made my decision to just remove all the packages and continue using just the desktop incredibly easy.
Excluding the processes I have added, by installing various things *I* need, my base process count for Windows 10 is in the low to mid 30s, and chews up about 1 GB just sitting there idle. Not in the ballpark with XP at all, but pretty close to a fully trimmed Win 7 setup.
I'll tell you, though... Regardless of stated advancements, it really doesn't seem to do anything I've been able to find more efficiently than its predecessors. Virtually nothing about NTFS is faster (or in most cases as fast). Some of the "gains" reported are because Microsoft by default tweaks the performance settings we performance-savvy users have been tweaking for many years (e.g., disabling the "last accessed" date in the file system by default).
Microsoft ceased adding any value to the part *I* consider the OPERATING SYSTEM quite a while back. The only credit I can give them is that they haven't been screwing around with the kernel much - the minions must be smart enough to know what's out of their league and keep their paws off.
Post by big bad bombastic bob on Oct 18, 2015 12:09:17 GMT -6
Regarding the FAILURE/pooch-screw known as "Windows 10"...
Noel said: 'My opinion: They're swimming in Windows 7 money, so they figure this is the time to reset EVERYTHING to 1.0 level again and try to have another 3 decades of success based on tiny "improvement" after "improvement".'
And now it's _MY_ turn to NOT HOLD BACK on this one.
It's time to talk about "product life cycles" and 'growth' vs 'maintenance' when it comes to market share. A product lifecycle goes through 4 basic stages for 4 types of customers: early adopters, technophiles, general public, and "end of life". OK 'EOL' isn't really a type of customer, but you get the idea. you could consider 'early adopters' to be apha testers where market research is being done for MS. 'technophiles' would be us "insiders". 'General public' is where MS wants to be NOW, but it's not working very well for them. "End of life" is what they did to XP, and are trying to do to 7.
Now MS a decade ago hit a plateau with respect to both 'total market' and 'market share'. Prior to that, they were growing, and in order to continue growing, each version of window had to be 'new, shiny' to go along with 'new, shiny' hardware made by others. At first (in the 90's) it was a 'market share' thing, but it soon became a 'total market' thing with all of the new computer sales.
What they've had since the 'turn of the century' is FLAT MARKET, both in market SHARE and TOTAL market. It's not something they manage well. Bill G. got out and let Ballmer handle it, which he's pooch-screwed in a few ways, beginning with ".Not" and ending with "the METRO". The occasional "We get it" release (aka W7) and "just keeping XP going" helped, but in general it's been very rocky for them.
NOW, some Mensa-candidate [that's really a dumb-fuck arrogant sonofabitch sweet-talker that got "the board" convinced] must've greased the skids for "the METRO" and all of THAT bullshit by selling a "we can take over the world" plan to them. Because, when your company is trying to MAINTAIN a market + market share and has NO GROWTH, you just might become like Rome when they stopped conquoring their neighbors.
Hewlett Packared [used to] know how to manage a flat market + market share pretty well. What they'd do is take advantage of the product life cycle with each "new thing" they produced. So the Deskjet 5xx would be replaced by a Deskjet 6xxx that's cheaper/faster/better and people STOP buying the 5xx _and_ replace their old printers with the new ones. When the cost of 'new' is low enough, they THEN make money off of the printer supplies [ink cartridges, paper, yotta yotta], and sell printers as cheap as they can.
But you can't really DO that with an OS, now can you? MS has Office, to run on Windows, and THAT works ok until Office no longer has "new features" that people want, and the only reason they get the new one is because they need "something". Or have a subscription. And that LAST part probably got MS thinking "why not the OS too?"
And that's why the total pooch-screw. Microsoft is NO longer interested in writing 'better/faster/cheaper' software. They're TOTALLY into revenue-generation mode, trying to suck as much blood, squeeze as much dough, coerce as much payment out of EVERY customer, by ONLY giving us SHITware and telling us it's "better" like we'll just believe them.
Anyway, that's nowhere NEAR complete, it's just what I can think of at the moment.
Post by big bad bombastic bob on Oct 18, 2015 12:28:32 GMT -6
ok now that I had a chance to read over, I'll put part two in here.
The whole product lifecycle thing is how you replace the old with the new. Microsoft needs to get the technophiles (aka "insiders") actually EXCITED about the new so as to replace the old. We know that their feature list is SHIT and so those of us with brains are saying things like "we want windows 7.1 instead of 8.2". Microsoft isn't paying attention to customers, though. They've broken the pattern. CUSTOMER NEEDS and CUSTOMER WANTS drive the 'technophiles' phase. Microsoft, instead, is acting like it's still the 'early adopters' phase, when they're trying to work out what the features SHOULD be and how people react to them. In a way, this might explain the 7% adoption, even if it *IS* "free". .
So, in summary, Microsoft is completely pooch-screwing this thing because:
a) they've NOT introduced "faster/better/cheaper" for the technophiles to get excited about b) they're doing 'early adopters' kinds of things for the 'general public' phase c) they're giving it away for FREE, but including advertising to 'soften up' the customer base to the idea d) they're IGNORING the new computer market entirely e) they're shoving change at us like it's ALWAYS good to 'change'.
I'm sorry, I'm pissed off *ENOUGH* at the EVIL REGIME known as OBAKA [and his cronies], the WORST president the U.S. has _EVAR_ had, and seeing Microsoft acting like a bunch of COMMUNISTS [thinking THEY are like a GUMMINT] and shoving their CRAP down our throats like THEY know better than WE do as to what WE want and what WE need.
OBAKA has certainly done HIS damage with "change for the sake of change", like OBAKA-CARE, a FUCKED UP foreign policy, and QUANTITATIVE EASING, and more national debt (letting CHINA tug at our purse strings like a loan shark, thanks Obaka!) than ALL other presidents COMBINED, and has CREATED (deliberately) a FUCKED UP economy where people have LESS MONEY TO SPEND now, and lying about the number of people out of work [which makes the DEPRESSION look like GOOD TIMES]. This makes it EASIER for the NEW BATCH of Demo-Rats with their "why hide it, here is who we REALLY are" OPEN SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM, OPENLY SAYING they want to take money from "those according to their means" (the successful), and just GIVE IT AWAY to everyone ELSE [to buy votes], including illegal immigrants, and OTHER typical "moochers an looters"...
And, THAT is how MICROSOFT is behaving! They must think they're a TOTALITARIAN SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST REGIME! And *WE* are "the minions" at the bottom, whom they must MANAGE like LAB RATS or CATTLE or whatever. "Change for the SAKE of CHANGE" because *THEY* *FEEL* it is the way *THEY* can *CONTROL* *US* *BEST*! And they support socialists, and get plenty of 'back scratching' BACK from the socialist/communist politicians (and president) that they WILLINGLY support.
OK _THAT_ RANT had to be said! I've been holding _THAT_ back on the Insider forums for MONTHS!
Regarding the FAILURE/pooch-screw known as "Windows 10"...
Hewlett Packared [used to] know how to manage a flat market + market share pretty well. What they'd do is take advantage of the product life cycle with each "new thing" they produced. So the Deskjet 5xx would be replaced by a Deskjet 6xxx that's cheaper/faster/better and people STOP buying the 5xx _and_ replace their old printers with the new ones. When the cost of 'new' is low enough, they THEN make money off of the printer supplies [ink cartridges, paper, yotta yotta], and sell printers as cheap as they can.
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Welcome BigBadBob, your comments on hp are spot on. Last year bought 1010 deskjet at wallymart JUST for one reason, Linux. The fact that it cost less than $20 was a plus. 61xl ink cartrdg's cost more than the damn printer itself ! HAha, yeah it still works just fine.
Post by big bad bombastic bob on Oct 18, 2015 15:55:10 GMT -6
"I wonder which presidential candidate would kick Microsoft's ass hardest"
Probably Trump. But you knew that, heh.
I'd love a Trump/Carson ticket just to tweek the lefties. They wouldn't be able to contain themselves. They'd go bat-shit-cloud-cuckoo-land insane. The meltdown would be worthy of selling popcorn and front-row-seat tickets. And Mrs. Clinton would be the most entertaining, as she continuously digs her own hole to fall into. Looking forward to THAT one.
So 8 years of Trump, followed by 8 years of Dr. Carson. Sounds good to me!
OBAKA has certainly done HIS damage with "change for the sake of change", like OBAKA-CARE, a FUCKED UP foreign policy, and QUANTITATIVE EASING, and more national debt (letting CHINA tug at our purse strings like a loan shark, thanks Obaka!) than ALL other presidents COMBINED, and has CREATED (deliberately) a FUCKED UP economy where people have LESS MONEY TO SPEND now, and lying about the number of people out of work [which makes the DEPRESSION look like GOOD TIMES]. This makes it EASIER for the NEW BATCH of Demo-Rats with their "why hide it, here is who we REALLY are" OPEN SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM, OPENLY SAYING they want to take money from "those according to their means" (the successful), and just GIVE IT AWAY to everyone ELSE [to buy votes], including illegal immigrants, and OTHER typical "moochers an looters"...
I just can't let you have all of that, so I will make a few points which should be unassailable to reasonable thought.
17 million poor people now use doctors for their primary heath care rather than the ER doctors, which reduces health insurance costs for all of us. The alternative is to let them get sick and die.
The majority of personal bankruptcies and home foreclosures have come from uninsured medical emergencies, and this has severely damaged our economy.
The majority of our national debt can be attributed of two wars financed off the books, $4-6 trillion, and two Bush tax cuts, $6.6 trillion, which impacted mostly higher income brackets.
The majority of the income increases through improved productivity since Ford/Reagan, (40 years) have gone to the top one percent income bracket. In fact, you can trace almost every domestic problem we face now, directly to Reagan.
The data over the last 50 years, shows that the economy, and thus the lives of people, especially the middle class, do better under Democratic leadership than it does under Republican.
This President managed to take away Weapons of Mass Destruction from Syria without killing any of our kids, unlike what Bush did in Iraq.
Most if not all of the Middle East problems we face now, are a result of the disastrous Iraq war.
We are a nation of immigrants.
Ask Noel if he knows how well his Italian great grandparents were treated when they arrived in NYC.
Ask anyone of Irish decent.
I don't speak German because it died in my family during WW1 and WW2, because they didn't want to be locked up in internment camps.
We overreact when xenophobic loud mouths like Trump, Carson, Cruz, find a microphone. But in the end, the majority rules because we are descendants of a decent and kind people, and we eventually come to our senses and do the right thing.
Because our forefathers put this at the entry to our country:
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
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All I know is this: If any one of them chooses to speak out against Microsoft's current gambit, it'll be damned hard for me not to cast my vote their way. Microsoft is ruining the high tech world and deserves some serious attention for it.
-Noel
Author of the "How to Configure the 'To Work' Options" series of Windows books. Not feeling enough love to do one for Windows 10.
<Rick> Good video. It's almost hard to believe that at one time Windows 98 was the resource hog, but even then, it still ran circles around what Windows 10 can do on today's modern hardware and look a heck of alot better doing it.
May 25, 2021 22:55:12 GMT -6
<Rick> As stated elsewhere, So much for the launch of Windows 11, "The Great Crash." Myself, I had a hard time getting into the site listed above, when I did get in, the video was partly done and then it crashed. There has been many other reports of crashing.
Jun 24, 2021 9:52:33 GMT -6
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<Rick> I see Microsoft has been very quick to pull down reports of site crashing regarding the Launch of Windows 11 on the Microsoft Insiders forum.
Jun 24, 2021 9:57:31 GMT -6
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<Rick> The rebroadcast is working okay.
Jun 24, 2021 11:00:25 GMT -6
<Rick> With reports of people being able to install the dev-edition of Windows 11 on machines not meeting spec, I thought I would give it a what-the-heck try. Lucky me, I'm caught in the downloading, doesn't meet spec, clearing, re-downloading loop on my machine!
Jul 2, 2021 7:08:46 GMT -6
<Rick> I've recently purchased a license for ArcaOS from www.arcanoae.com/ to play with. First impressions, it's still OS/2, but it now has a Linux twist to it.
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<dozrguy> laptop shit out and am stuck buying a new one. os win11 as fucked as win10 was?
Oct 2, 2021 12:56:10 GMT -6
<Rick> Let's see ..., my impression of Windows 11 is that it is a spruced up version of Windows 10 requiring a 64-bit processor plus a piece of security hardware that is less than 4 years old in order for it to run.
Oct 4, 2021 18:25:49 GMT -6
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<Rick> On the plus side, Microsoft is supposed to be supporting Windows 10 for some time to come for those of us still using systems with I7 or older processors.
Oct 4, 2021 18:44:35 GMT -6
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<dozrguy> i tried installing win10 om the 'shitout' pc this morning usung media creation. EPIC FAIL! went into an endless bootloop. win7 reinstalled just fine
Oct 21, 2021 11:23:38 GMT -6
<dozrguy> STILL so much bullshit and so little time for the kiddie ideas from the hill. My new laptop (MSI GE 11-UH461) would be an awesome "10" machine but because of Winblows I can only give it a "2"......wasted $3500
Oct 27, 2021 9:36:47 GMT -6
<Rick> Hello. Just checking in.
Mar 17, 2022 10:46:54 GMT -6
<isidroco> Each new w10 update adds >100000 useless files to \Windows\Servicing\LCU\Package_for_RollupFix... folders. Even in a SSD takes time to delete that stuff. In each version they manage to worsen stuff.
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<dozerguy> still traffic here?
Oct 9, 2022 17:32:44 GMT -6
<Rick> No, there does not seem to be very much traffic these days. I still check in from time to time.
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